Quick Reactions to ‘The Story & The Engine’ (Doctor Who)

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21 thoughts on “Quick Reactions to ‘The Story & The Engine’ (Doctor Who)

    1. Tim Bradley's avatarTim Bradley Post author

      Hi scifimike,

      I’m sure I’ve missed some adventures out, but ‘Planet of the Spiders’ and ‘Arachnids in the UK’ came to mind regarding previous ‘Doctor Who’ stories featuring giant spiders. I’m sure there are other stories featuring giant spiders in audios, books and comics. I’m not sure if the giant spider in ‘The Story & The Engine’ was a genuine one. I’ll need to rewatch the episode sometime to be sure when it comes to doing an in-depth review. A shame it’s not one of the Eight Legs from Metabellis III, as that would have been amazing and exciting.

      Many thanks,

      Tim 🙂

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      1. scifimike70's avatarscifimike70

        The Nimons were interesting for their time. I remember wondering what a Nimon baby would look like. After what the modern Who has achieved in advancing the Silurians, Zygons and Ice Warriors, it would be intriguing to see how the Nimons’ return could work out.

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      2. Tim Bradley's avatarTim Bradley Post author

        Nimon babies?! That should be something to see. I wonder if there any female Nimons. Hopefully the Nimons will be far more impressive in the new TV series compared to how they looked in ‘The Horns of Nimon’.

        Many thanks, scifimike!

        Tim 🙂

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      3. scifimike70's avatarscifimike70

        When they finally got round to female Silurians and Ice Warriors for the modern series, and a feminine Zygon named Bonnie thanks to what Jenna Coleman could do with the role, I had a lot of hope that certain constrictions with the monsters from the classic series would be lifted for this generation. Should the lovely Cryons return, that would be very nice.

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      4. Tim Bradley's avatarTim Bradley Post author

        Hi scifimike,

        It would be nice to see the Cryons making a return in ‘Doctor Who’. Whether that’s with Cybermen or not is another matter. Hopefully they’ll be better in terms of make-up and costume design should they return to the new TV series.

        Many thanks,

        Tim 🙂

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    1. Tim Bradley's avatarTim Bradley Post author

      Hi scifimike,

      Apparently, I’ve seen a behind-the-scenes photo of Ncuti Gatwa and Jo Martin, so at least they did meet when making this ‘Doctor Who’ story. I feel that Jo Martin’s cameo in ‘The Story & The Engine’ is a bit wasted, since I would have thought she’d have an active role in the story instead of appearing as an apparition to confirm the Doctor’s past with Abena. At least when Jo Martin returned in ‘Once, Upon Time’ in ‘Flux’ and in ‘The Power of the Doctor’, her appearances were very fulfilling and had more screentime compared to a passing cameo.

      Many thanks,

      Tim 🙂

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      1. Wolfie's avatarWolfie

        I find it an interesting development, actually. Remember how the series was revived back in 2005? 25 years ago, now?

        Back in the days of the Ninth Doctor, the past was treated like the Somme. It was somewhere we visited, occasionally, to pay our respects, but the field of red poppies were best left to themselves.

        In part, it was to build a distinctive image for RTD’s revival. Bronze Daleks, steel Cybermen, council flats, the Last Great Time War, etc. But also, I think it was to address fandom concerns about Doctor Who choking on its own laurels.

        That was one of the criticisms of Paul McGann’s return. Too much lore, not enough story. But the critique goes even further back to “general fan wisdom” on what killed the original series. A belief that it was the overindulgence in continuity references at the expense of storytelling.

        With the Fifteenth Doctor’s era so heavily intertwined with the past — Melanie Bush, UNIT, Jo Martin’s Doctor, Richard E. Grant’s Doctor, etc. — could you imagine how fans would’ve viewed it back in the 1980s? The final decade of BBC-televised Who in the 20th century?

        They would’ve flayed it alive.

        Nowadays, in the age of Marvel multiverses, serialised storytelling, and streaming platforms — we don’t even blink.

        Just think, the distance between Rose and The Story and the Engine is the same distance between The Daleks and The Greatest Show in the Galaxy. Doesn’t that just boggle the mind?

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      2. Wolfie's avatarWolfie

        Or should I say, 20 years ago, rather. That’s still the distance between The Daleks and Snakedance. Between Ian and Barbara’s expedition to the Dalek City and Tegan’s second possession by the Mara.

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      3. Tim Bradley's avatarTim Bradley Post author

        Hi Wolfie,

        Many thanks for sharing your thoughts. I suppose the neo-RTD era needs to have its own identity compared to how the original RTD era was presented. It’s certainly interesting, but I wouldn’t say it’s as satisfying as the original RTD era, particularly when new ways of storytelling are being attempted and RTD is trying to do new ways of running the show compared to how he did things in his original era. I think it’s an expectation that many viewers and fans are struggling to contend with, as they would be expecting RTD to match his new era with his original era, but he can’t as things have moved on progressively compared to how things were done from 2005 to 2010.

        I’m currently intrigued about what the future holds for the TV show, particularly with the rumour of a possible regeneration about to happen in the two-part finale. I’m holding back speculation on this, but I hope it’s something just to tease us and put us on edge like with what happened when David Tennant did the aborted regeneration in ‘The Stolen Earth’/’Journey’s End’. I wouldn’t like Ncuti Gatwa to leave so soon, as despite the ups and downs, I’ve enjoyed his era so far and I’ve enjoyed doing the quick reactions videos as a result. Looking forward to getting down to doing in-depth reviews on Series 14 with Ncuti Gatwa and Millie Gibson later this year.

        Incidentally, just revisited ‘The Good Doctor’ audiobook by Juno Dawson. I’m intrigued as to how her writing style in prose will match to her writing style for TV in ‘The Intergalactic Song Contest’ coming up this weekend.

        Many thanks and best wishes,

        Tim 🙂

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      4. Wolfie's avatarWolfie

        It’s the consistent problem of relying on nostalgia to fuel a property. It’s not the same world that it was 20 years ago. Not the same that it was 60 years ago. How we tell stories has evolved dramatically since those early days, but they still hold a fascination and an allure in precisely how they are told.

        That makes the problem unique. Show those original Doctor Who stories from the ’60s and you can spark the imagination of a generation. Try to replicate them, word for word… Something is inevitably always going to be missing.

        Big Finish’s audio dramas dance that fine line of telling new stories in old ways (or vice versa). Something that, initially, is quite simple when it’s only a decade or so out. It feels far harder to write those ’60s stories because they, simply, are more difficult to write. The series is fortunate in that experimental storytelling was its bread and butter, so pushing out of that box feels genuine to the original serials. However, they are, in their own way, a different medium.

        But then, that same feeling eventually comes over all Doctors, all eras, all serials. The Fourth Doctor’s tenure ended 44 years ago. That’s four decades of intervening stories, concepts, trends and expectations that now play an influence on that entire era and its characters. You cannot put the smoke back into the bottle. You cannot force your listener to set their brain permanently to 1981, you can only take them there for a few hours. It’s a holiday, not a live-in residence.

        Big Finish do have one advantage, they can use the past to cloak any oversights. They don’t have to try to be current, if it doesn’t suit their purposes. That was most evident in The Lost Stories, which were a great yardstick for how much they do try to innovate in their storytelling (compare Mission to Magnus with something like The Reaping or The Peterloo Massacre). But, on the whole, Big Finish are trying to appeal to a memory of the programme.

        RTD’s era on streaming, on the other hand, is trying to be current. Talk to current issues and current anxieties in the world. Speaking in generalisms, I think people don’t actually understand how much has changed in 20 years. It was never going to be 2005 again. Even if they did an homage to the era in a historical episode (could you imagine?), it would be a memory of the thing, not the genuine article.

        I hope that Gatwa isn’t bowing out at the end of this season. 16 episodes is a really rough tenure. Less than Sylvester McCoy. Less than Colin Baker. It doesn’t leave a lot of room to grow, even as fully-formed as his incarnation has been.

        Given what’s happening in America — secret police, disappearances, white supremacy, etc. — and Disney being based there… I can understand if Doctor Who is going to hit some serious turbulence in its production cycle soon. if it hasn’t already. We can’t pretend that it won’t play a part in what comes next.

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      5. Tim Bradley's avatarTim Bradley Post author

        Thanks Wolfie,

        I’m currently revisiting the black-and-white version of ‘The War Games’ on DVD after recently revisiting the colourised version of ‘The War Games’. I find myself veering more to the black-and-white version, especially as it’s the one I was introduced to and I find more ground in it compared to the colourised version, which is a truncated version of the story. If RTD and his team simply colourised the 10-part story, I would appreciate it more than I do now. Truncating the story into 90 minutes makes it feel like the special edition versions of ‘Enlightenment’ and ‘Planet of Fire’ by Fiona Cumming. It’s not going to make me veer to those movie versions more. It’s going to make me want to see the originals more, and that’s why replicating the classic stories in that manner doesn’t always work for me. The colourised version of ‘The War Games’ is arguably better than the colourised version of ‘The Daleks’ though.

        Technically, it’s 18 episodes for Ncuti Gatwa if you take ‘The Church of Ruby Road’ and ‘Joy to the World’ into account, but I get your meaning. It feels a shame that Ncuti’s era is being shortchanged in the manner Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy’s eras went back in the late 1980s. I hope there’s room to tell more stories for Ncuti Gatwa’s Doctor, otherwise fans will have to write them themselves. Hopefully Big Finish can do more stories with Ncuti’s Doctor and hopefully I can write a short story featuring the Fifteenth Doctor and Ruby someday.

        Best wishes,

        Tim 🙂

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      6. scifimike70's avatarscifimike70

        Just as Jodie faced her inevitable challenges, Ncuti will too. Even for a role that quite openly embraces change, and even with the headway that diversity in sci-fi from Star Trek to many others, the issues of the times can be a cloud. But Doctor Who persists as it always does, whether it’s on TV or via Big Finish, and so the most loyal sci-fi fans will be there to show their best support.

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      7. Tim Bradley's avatarTim Bradley Post author

        Thanks scifimike,

        I know the toxicity of ‘Doctor Who’ fandom has got worse over the years through the Jodie Whittaker and Ncuti Gatwa eras, but I’ve done my best to avoid reading too much into that, as I have to balance my thoughts on what’s good and bad about a certain era. I hope to explore that when it comes to doing in-depth reviews on Series 14 and 15 of ‘Doctor Who’, which I hope to make a start on soon once I’ve gone through the Season 25 Blu-ray box set with Sylvester McCoy.

        Best wishes,

        Tim 🙂

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      8. Tim Bradley's avatarTim Bradley Post author

        Thanks scifimike,

        I think that’s the best way to review a film and a TV show. You can’t be all negative, as that would make the review very boring. You need to have a variety of opinions when doing reviews. I enjoy it when having a balance of sharing positive and negative opinions whilst respecting the TV/film production being discussed, whether it’s ‘Doctor Who’ or not.

        Best wishes,

        Tim 🙂

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      9. Wolfie's avatarWolfie

        Acknowledging the subjectivity of the review goes a long way, and I think you’re quite good at that, Tim. You don’t struggle with trying to assert your opinion, it simply is — to be accepted or refuted at the reader’s discretion.

        Having done the historical research, I can say that fandom has sadly always had a toxic vein somewhere in its molten mountaintop (good grief, ask older fans what’s responsible for the 1989 cancellation, they’ll tell you). You can love a story, but that’s not quite the same as falling in love with a story. That’s a different process. It’s multifaceted, complex and a process of being. As it changes, you change (or vice versa).

        That first burst of infatuation is very different. The wishy-washy, gushy flow of “gee-whizz” emotions. The excitement of something new. What happens when that wears off — or, God forbid, changes — determines what kind of long-term fan that person will be. If they decide to be, at all. The Moffat era propagated a very aggressive brigade of fans who only really want that era. Forever and ever… But that’s not how Doctor Who works.

        So, when a fan falls out of love (or infatuation), they can fall out hard. They become one of the haters. Condemning anything that doesn’t fit the “brand” that they agreed to follow. They become aggressive, controlling, insecure, and– Gosh… It makes you wonder, doesn’t it? What is the end point of this? Love turns into hate. “It’s changed!” they cry. No, you’ve changed. If they go back, it won’t be the same anyway. It’s not what they want.

        But when that young love (or infatuation) grows into old love, the kind that shifts, ebbs and flows… Something beautiful happens. A wonderful, affirming acceptance of the story beyond any shape imagined or controlled. Moments of happiness that surprise, moving turns that still warm the chest, and tales that spark the imagination for more tales beyond them. It’s the love of stories that flows like water. Regardless of shape, always finding what it needs.

        Accepting love and loving in acceptance. Acceptance of triumph and tragedy. Acceptance of something that spoke to that person to become a fan of those stories in the first place. As Peri notes of the Sixth Doctor, early in their travels:

        Now, in that instant of remembrance, Peri recognised something that she had always seen [in the Sixth Doctor], but had never noticed because it was innate, and noticed it now only because she had come to close to losing it. It was the simple, human ability to be honourable and kind.

        It doesn’t have to be complex, but it has to be enduring. And I think that’s what brings people back over and over to Doctor Who. Not the superficial objects to be sold on a shop shelf, no. It’s that enduring quality of compassion for a diverse universe of peoples. Told in those diverse stories.

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      10. Tim Bradley's avatarTim Bradley Post author

        Hi Wolfie,

        Thanks for sharing your thoughts on how love for ‘Doctor Who’ changes over time and how it can affect certain fans who fall out of love with it. I’d like to think I’ll still be enjoying ‘Doctor Who’ through the TV series as well as the Big Finish audios, books and comics accompanying it in say ten years’ time. I’m currently enjoying the series, even if there are hiccups along the way. I’m glad I have my blog as well as my YouTube channel to share my thoughts about ‘Doctor Who’ episodes in creative, fun and imaginative ways and hopefully people who read my reviews and check out my videos will enjoy my thoughts on certain stories too.

        Best wishes,

        Tim 🙂

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